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I can blog about many things, and I am not sure on which topic I should be blogging about.  I could do taxes, blargh, or the disparity between federal and private employees, ugh.

But again the issue that comes to mind is immigration.

Now, I have blogged about this recently, but I think there is something that needs to be bought to light.

I live in Arizona, and many around the country have heard of Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Here in the local news, a couple of weeks ago, a local Latino advocate or Politician was advocating that Maricopa County should be taken over by the federal government.

Well this really disturbed my Constitutionalist/federalist/ conservative/ Libertarian self.

It also got me thinking.

Maricopa County maybe, and Arizona most likely, will be the crossroads and the main battle line for any immigration reform.

Because, depending on who you listen to, the Federal Government is either considering a Jobs bill, or they are considering trying out some form of immigration reform.

Which, the latter, will likely involve some form of amnesty.

The purpose of this is wide and varied, but in short, I believe that it is to make us forget about Health Care.

But more importantly it is going to polarize the country, and leave the independents confused on where to go.  They cannot go to the liberals because they insist on taking away our freedoms, but the Conservatives and Libertarians are dirty racists, at least so we hear in the media,  and do not want immigration reform.

At least this is what I fear, as always this is just the beginning of this process, so we will have to wait and see, but we already know that the dialogue is that we are a bunch of racists.

We are just going to have to wait, and see, and hope I am wrong.



  1. I would like to point out one small detail, if anything Libertarians are seen in better light in the issue. Ron Paul’s views are in line with the Libertarian Party’s and in my opinion most Libertarians that are closer to the top of the spectrum versus the bottom (Avoiding left right thing here).

    Libertarianism calls the current system baloney and illegal immigration is it’s symptom. We need to secure our borders, yes, but a fallacy among many is that we should deport first and then build a wall. Or we should do both at the same time.

    Think of a sinking ship, what do you do? Do you patch the leak while pumping out the water? Do you pump out the water and then patch the leak? No, you patch the leak first and then you deal with the water.

    A wall, that ignores the main source of illegal immigrants, overstayed visas. But anyway, I doubt that much attention will be given to the problem unless Mexico flies planes into towers again…oh wait…there’s something wrong with that last statement…*Wink*

    For me at least this is a humanitarian issue that needs a humanitarian solution, not a security solution (Considering that the border with Canada is the largest unsecured border in the world and the Mexican authorities has captured suspicious travelers from the middle east before they even left Mexican ports of entry).

    • In the end I do agree with you completly. Remember I have been clear on the opinions I have on the boarder. We need a fence, but more importantly we need to know who is coming across the boarder, that is my big issue. Once we know who is coming across our boarder, once we secure our boarder, then we can know about who to deport, who not to deport, and then work on what to do about the ones who are here, adn then we can work on reforming our immigration system.
      Its a step by step process. And my favorite part of that article you have me on Libertarianism and immigration was that if a large number of people are breaking the law, then the law is probably wrong. Especially in an issue like this.

  2. A central issue in the topic of immigration is trade. You can’t just say this is an authoritarian vs. libertarian issue. You have to talk about trade. The reason is just as Adam Smith recognized: the free flow of labor is essential for free trade. It’s impossible to talk about free markets without the free circulation of labor. As it stands, capital is very mobile; labor, on the other hand, is very immobile. You talk about militarizing the border, you’re talking about immobilizing labor.

    As I said, Smith was very aware of these issues. He wrote in The Wealth of Nations, “the policy of Europe, by obstructing the free circulation of labor and stock both from employment to employment, and from place to place, occasions in some cases a very inconvenient inequality in the whole of the advantages and disadvantages of their different employments. . . . Whatever obstructs the free circulation of labor from one employment to another obstructs that of stock likewise.”

    There has been great work to limit the free movement of labor. In 1994, for example, President Clinton went so far as to militarize the border in what was called “Operation Gatekeeper.” Why 1994? Because that was the year of NAFTA, and “agreement” heralded as free trade pact, helping liberate markets. We know it was exactly the opposite.

    • You raise a brilliant and perfectly valid point here. However no one is advocating the restriction of labor or the restriction of any labor from place to place. I certainly am not, and I, being in part a Libertarian at the least, wants labor to move from place to place easily.
      But the principle issue here is knowin what is coming across our border, and if that means that we have to militarize it to prevent people from coming across the border that mean to do us harm in one way or another. I do not think that Militarizing the border will cause labor to be immobile, nor do I think that labor is inherently immobil. It is very hard given certain circumstances to get someone to move, but I just do not think that labor is immobil.
      And we should do everything in our power to help facilitate labor’s mobility, but first and formost we must have a secure border. Once we achieve that, then we can work on making labor and immigrants more mobile through our borders.

  3. Great blog and it makes you think. I also do not agree that labor is immobile. If anything today with our technology companies can employ people halfway across the globe….by setting up service centers who can handle the business via phone calls or the internet. This bit of you have to live here to get a job here is quickly becoming a mute point. I mean how many times have you called your credit card service center to find yourself talking to someone who can barely speak English?? Why because that call was probably routed to India or God knows where. I mean as we advance more and more as a society and utilize more and more technology we can virtually outsource many of the jobs to anywhere in the world. So you know the job thing is really only part of the problem. *sigh* Here is a great article I found that really does explain it…and I found it helpful.

    So yeah I am all for militarizing the border to find out who is coming here. But lets face it no matter how tight your borders are there are always going to be people who get here illegally. So then what?? I think this is the true sticking point. Once they are here there is just no good way to weed them out and deal with them. That whole process needs to be addressed at the same time IMO…..just as R2 suggested…..but I think while patching the boat you do need to be thinking and planning on just what you are going to do with the water. Whether this is a distraction by the current administration IDK….it could be….probably is….but it still needs to be addressed and as a nation we need to come together and not let this divide us…and if we just remember that….we will not fall.

    • Yeah, and that is bad, we should not outsource jobs to such an extent, but that is really a whole kettle of fish different from this debate. But the point is you do get a movement of labor because of technology.

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