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I have discussed this issue before, two times, in the past dealing with apathy of the political system, and the unwillingness of people to debate on these issues.

In the 2008 election 56.8% of the voting population turned out to vote.  Now while this is better than I thought, it is not perfect.

The more people who vote the more representative the government.  The more representative the government, the better for everyone.  The more involved the people the more accountable the politicians, and the more they will know the opinions of the people.

With that said I almost wonder if there is a concerted effort to alienate the population, to make them feel apathy on the issues, and to make them be disenfranchised.

Part of it is the overload that we are experiencing.  That is part of the Cloward and Piven strategy to saturate people with information and crisis that we do not know where to turn, we do not know where to go, and we just shut down.

The other part of it is the obvious corruption, the obvious stench, and the obvious disconnect between the American People and their representatives in the federal government.

All too often we do not feel as though we are being represented by the very people who we elect to represent us.

I have overhead conversations of the likes that our voice does not matter, the system is twisted, we will just get disappointed anyways, so why vote?

Why vote for someone who will just disappoint us anyway?

I know these concerns, I share them in full, and often times I have felt where do we turn.  Because the sad part of it is if you give someone your complete trust, enough to elect them, you do not really know that they are going to betray you, and the principles that you used when you voted for them in the first place, until they do!

I can imagine that a lot of people feel like the only thing that you can rely on politicians for, that they are unreliable.

This leads more people to not participate in the political system, because with all of that, does our voice really matter?

And also people are often genuinely not interested in politics.  There is the real world of our lives, and then there is the political realm.  And never shall the two meet.

I agree with this, to a point, but you have to express your voice or risk loosing it.

And we need to have the conversation.  A conversation based on freedom, of choice, and of liberty.  We have to change the game from talking about the best way to get what we feel is ours, to find the way to give the most people the most freedom that they possibly can.

This topic needs broaching, almost regularly, at dinner on what is going on and the issues that are effecting us.

And we need to get educated, all of us, and not just by a college, but real world experience.  To use your head and think outside of the box.

And the more issues that get piled up on us is the exact reason to get more involved, more informed, and to stay on top of the things that are effecting our day-to-day lives.  The things that politicians are doing to us.

The good news is that people are getting more involved, if what is going on in this country is any indication.

We are having the conversation and saying, whoa, what, why are you doing this to me?

That people genuinely are getting involved with the political climate around them.

And it’s not enough to go out and vote, it’s not enough to go out and just get involved for a political season to work for the election of the messiah, the great one, the chosen savior of the universe!

We must be involved all the time, all the time we can anyway.  Because if we just pat ourselves on the back and say, well done, we got our candidate elected, and just go back to our day to day lives like they were. We will get nastily surprised, and the process will start all over again, sometimes from the people that we gave so much trust in.

These are the dangers this country faces, but we will get through them if we get involved, stay informed, and remember our history as a people.


Awhile back I wrote a blog about Cloward and Piven, and then went into one of two different angles on their strategy.  I said I would discuss the other one at a later date, when I felt comfortable.

With Joe Stack ramming his plane into an IRS building, I feel that this is the time.

Now, the Cloward and Piven theory was that if you put as many crises into the system as possible, then you can collapse the system, and then transform it.

As I have indicated this can really only lead in two basic concepts, a freer society, or one that is more enslaved.

This also works for the individual, but it is simpler than that.

The choice for the individual is between good and evil.  Between hard work and giving into your passions.

Now in Star Wars fear is the path to the dark side.  Fear leads to anger, which leads to hate which leads to suffering.

That is the choice that we as individuals must face.

Now this choice comes about through a vast number of circumstances.

But it is usually the loss of a job, the loss of a paycheck, losing food, control over your life.  This causes fear, this causes a sense of loss, and a sense of where do I turn?

For all people the ‘bottom’ is lower than any other persons, that sense of hopelessness.

That sense of collapse.

At that moment we all have a choice.

The choice can be to give into your fear, to let it consume you, which then causes you to get paranoid, mistrustful, and bitter, angry even.

That it is someone else’s fault, it is not my fault, its society is to blame, not me.  Never me.

Then to hate.

That I must do something about it, they deserve it, and after all for anything to change I have to make a body count.  After all that is the only way to change.

Now despite this fear is a healthy emotion.  It can lead you to do great things.

But if you let it consume you, then you might see the situation above come to pass.

Instead you need to forge it into a tool, to use it, and get off your butt.  Maybe you have fallen and maybe you have collapsed but that is not the end of the world.

You can still get up and do something, that the sense of fear and impending disaster hopefully leads you to greater things, and does not consume you, bringing suffering on the people around us.

That is the choice that we as individuals face playing out our own scenarios of success, and failure.

When we give in, it ripples out, our lives effect other people’s maybe even sets an example for others? An example for them to follow, hey they are just like me, maybe if I do kill, things will change? My life is over anyways. It can ripple out into society.

And that is the choice, because the choice that we make for ourselves as people, will affect the choice that we make as a people.

Are we be willing to pick ourselves up and do the hard work? Or will we give into our fear, and our sense of entitlement?

This is almost insane that I should be talking about this , with all the…oh and Glenn Beck is talking about it as I type this…that you have had people talk about this, and Saul Alinsky.  It is…well I should not deal with this.  They have done a marvelous job revealing what is coming down the pike, and asking the question, why are they dealing with, especially in the sense of that this system existed.

But, I think there is something that needs saying, something that could be looked at two different ways, and I will find a way of dealing with way two at a later more convenient date.

But the first one is people, all people, I have not heard one person who has dealt with this in the press: What this country will look like after this plan comes to fruition, how it has collapsed, and what has been built in its place?

Because there is only two ways that this can go.  The right way, and the wrong way.  Now I am sure that there are now a lot of blog readers out there saying that there is a right way to do Cloward and Piven, A that is not really what I mean, and B there is a right way to deal with the situation dealt with after this plan has gone through.

The wrong way though is what our government is doing.  They think that they can control the outcome of what is going on, that they can control the collapse, and what follows it.  That their intention is to create a totally dependent society on them and Socialism of how they think what we should and should not act like.

But you cannot do that, you cannot guarantee that they will control everything and can predict circumstances that will evolve from this.

It’s impossible.

But what is really at stake here is the dark side, and the light side.  Right and Wrong, a healthy lesson, or transforming into something dark and dangerous.

That would be the choice that is before us, literally if we go left or if we go right.  Between darkness and the light.

Because we could transform into something that is dangerous, and is something for the world to fear, or the world to respect because we are part of one big happy global government.

Or we could reform, we could do the hard work, we could get back to principle, and the principles of freedom, hard work, and common decency, that we were founded on and has sparked many a revitalization of the American Dream.

That we can get back to our roots, and start over, and become a good full people again, with our problems, but with so great promise to deal with our problems on our own without government getting in the way.

This is the choice that is before us, right here, now, and in this moment of history.